Originally Posted by shazbot
I do feel bad for the local guys there though, all the attractive (and unattractive) girls want an expat, and theres plenty around.
we're getting way off topic here, but ime rich guys from hk and taiwan are the most sought after (particularly if they're also famous), followed by abcs with good game (a rare breed, but my best friend happens to fit this bill), followed by other expats.
beijing isn't nearly as superficial and (consequently) lacks the meat market feel. btw, i don't think it's any better now than it was 5 or 10 years back; you just need to be slightly immersed to find the good places (changes frequently)
recently, i've been spending a lot more of shanghai nights at windows (for those that don't know, windows is place you're supposed to graduate from once you get a real job) because i just can't handle that whole faux-elite thing. karting is also tons of fun and makes for a great date. mondays at rojam can still be ok if you're in the right mood and can get a good group together.