Originally Posted by GUWonder
Ok; I have gotten the same response before. [When I first mentioned (on FT) that images of Iraqis being abused by my compatriots were coming out shortly and that US government pressure to shut down the release had failed, then I heard it all -- including the "prove it, show me" demands. Shortly thereafter, those images came to be known as the Abu Gharib photos. (And when I said there were videotapes too, including of boys being sodomized, I got the same response too.) You should visit OMNI, it's an interesting place on occassion.]
Here's a hint: Think about FOIA applicability and limitations and get back to us (and read some of the other posts further up very closely).
You suggest that data exists that show that a large portion of law enforcement officers are dishonest. Since the the number of law enforcement agencies are somewhere near 18,000 and that the number of law enforcement officers in the U.S. are more than 500,000, the logistics of accomplishing this study is mindboggling. Too many different agencies and too many variables. On a smaller scale I could see, but then you wouldn't be able to use this statement;
Originally Posted by GUWONDER
The truth is that the sets of data we went through indicated that law enforcement/security types were not always or even often honest -- especially about the stopping of innocent people.
I do have a bias -- and a strong one at that -- for data-based analysis, especially when it comes to matters of security and government relations.
This data would be impossible to obtain to make the "law enforcement/security types were not always or even often honest" statement on such a broad scale. Maybe if you made that statement of Agency X, but then the "data" would still be made available to the public.
Originally Posted by GUWONDER
2. Law enforcement and security force fatalities due to murder and non-negligent homicide have not been universally decreasing since the 1975. And in the places where "stops" have been estimated to have risen the most, the numbers of law enforcement officers and security forces killed has generally risen the most there too
This is more data that is just wrong, they are declining. 1973-134, 1975-129, 1980-104, 1985-78, 1990-66, 1995-74 and 2000-51. From 1973 to 2000 the data shows a decrease of more than 150%.
http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/homicide/leok.htm
Originally Posted by GUWonder
Furthermore, the law enforcement/security types are not always or even often honest -- especially about the stopping of innocent people.
and then in your next post in response to gofast,
Originally Posted by GUWonder
By the way, I did not make a presumption that LE/security types are more often than not dishonest when stopping people.
Originally Posted by GUWonder
Funny, but the point's been missed yet again.
Here's a hint: those "limited number of incidents" and "northeast" TV report you mentioned, I did not bring up. Someone else -- or at least you
-- may have mentioned such, but I did not.
[I don't even know a thing about it since local TV news is generally not my cup of tea.]
If you need further hints, I'll be more than happy to continue.
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I don't need a hint as I am aware that I made the statement.
The connection here is that maybe you had viewed your data on this television program, maybe not. I still don't believe there is a data set that supports your statement, except in a very limited capacity.
Originally Posted by GUWONDER
"Furthermore, the law enforcement/security types are not always or even often honest -- especially about the stopping of innocent people"
In addition, witholding information of criminal misconduct could be considered Obstruction of Justice, making you criminally liable. morally, just knowing this information and not passing it to the proper authorities makes you just as dishonest.
I guess I will just have to wait for the "news to break".