Originally Posted by rwill11
Yes they are. The sea flight is always full when they tried doin the 757s out of here they must have gotten a half a million complaints finally they went back to the 10s I have been an unlucky one who had to pay a full fare FC ticket on a 757 last fall before the 10s started up again. yuk. BTW are you and your fa lady saying that 2/3rds of the sea hnl are paying FC? sounds like a money maker. Also the non paying fares are really paying with miles that are counted as liabilities on NWs books. And as so many have complained they arent gettin the cheap point upgrades so nw is makin out
The 1/3 number that the f/a referred to was for Y and F for our particular flight on that day. I know that this number is for one flight on one day and can not be used to rationalize profit/loss on a market, but it is a fair example of why HNL is often referred to as a "low yield" market. BTW there were only 10 passengers in F on our 753, at least 2 of whom paid $250 at the gate to upgrade. And that NW still allows mileage upgrades (for elites) from any fare for 17.5k miles, you can bet several more took this route. I used HNL as a stopover on a $540 r/t Lansing-Singapore.
I'm actually glad that NW has the 753's on the HNL runs. This aircraft provided them with the opportunity to re-enter this market from the west coast with yields that exceed what they could charge for DTW-west coast flights, which are only 500 miles or so shorter in length. They would never have started PDX-HNL or restarted SFO/LAX-HNL with DC10's.
Also note that the $1.42/gal fuel number that you used was the average system wide. Care to guess how much more it is in HNL?