Thanks SDF traveler , I like the Idea of transfer desk, lounge, then gate trys as I often have found one persons no is another persons yes if I keep trying. I don't know when they release the D bucket for upgrade and if they will let me use CO miles . I would doubt it ,so I am hoping for a OP-Up or just some kind mercy on someones part. I definatly will try here with CO 3 and 7 days out to see if KLM has released any seats to them.....