Originally Posted by
born sleepy
What grinds my gears is a family of 5-6 taking up half a (domestic) F cabin and the attendant whining/tantrums/scampering/food mess everywhere, but obvs I can't control who sits up front.
Yes you can, but it will be very expensive to buy up the whole cabin for just one or two of you.
Meanwhile, the screaming guaguas aren't part of the "loss of civility" discussion. Annoying as all can be (and yes, I heard young children noise even in EK F). It is more the entitiled disrespectful chanchos of all ages, status and class irrelevant, that have a prividge that we'll never know of - their poopoodoodookakak don't stink, at least not to them. As we're being gassed out by their behavio(u)r. It only takes 1 percent of the passengers to ruin everyone's travel experience. WN, when it was really a LCC, didn't ruin it. Nor did "Song" nor "Shuttle, by United." "Reality media" made it all ok. Even attorneys in some locales think the process is a TV show.