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Old Aug 20, 2025 | 10:09 pm
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I would like to offer my take on all this too.

Govt: As I have said, looked bad, and the worst part is a few minor tweaks could have made them look like they nailed it. 1. Don't rush the 107. 2. Look neutral when you say you are. 3. Don't say stupid things that make you look clueless, like "We will launch an inquiry into unpaid work". Do those 3 things and I think everything else ends the same way and the average person thinks "Well done."

AC: Hire a good firm to train your Execs on how to speak when you don't dictate the narrative. It seemed like they weren't used to being questioned on what they say and that feeds back to my opinions about the dynamic at the top level of Executives. I still don't know if the security issue at the presser was complete incompetence or maybe meant to let CUPE villainize themselves to the public,
BUT 1.I don't think they are that cunning, and 2. It made them look like, They couldn't organize a piss-up in a brewery, to use an old english expression.

CUPE: The presser shenanigans were amateur and maybe did more harm than good, but see above. Happy to see that on the surface, junior FA will see a better benefit from this new contract, but I wonder if they didn't paint themselves into a corner on this aka "our junior FA are in poverty", when everyone realized it had to move on. They also get to look their union allies in the eye and expect the next one to go one better of "go ahead, fine or arrest us over 107, and all it took was 24 hrs of posturing. Well played there I think.


I believe that if FA have to be within an hour of the airport, that they need to make enough money to live in that radius. Not necessarily downtown TO but Mississauga isn't cheap either. Vancouver is probably worse for that commute time. Otherwise they are expected to live in their car in long term parking or go to the airport and sit for hours on every on call day. Exaggeration I know, but it makes the point. No idea YUL or others as home station.

Questions I still have:
Before this job action I didn't know that FA work 90 hrs a month. When they said that, I thought it was a regulation or something, but doesn't look like it from replies I have had or research I did, so it has to be contractual or systemic. 90 hours plus the supposed 35hrs of unpaid work is still less than full time employment. So is this something that was negotiated? In which case, then NO I am not sympathetic to a part time job not paying the bills. If it is a systemic thing, then maybe negotiate increasing work hours by 15% or be aware that it isn't a full time job and don't complain. It might not be that simple but I am rather disappointed that no one in media forced any of the parties to actually answer that question.
There were reports that Rouge staff had a lower pay structure. Is this accurate? Begrudgingly welcome AC employees to the Sisterhood and Brotherhood of those who have been Rouged, but I didn't see any specific reference to Rouge in the agreed settlement.

As Wigg stated, I was really impressed by how much the mods gave latitude to let this be a free expression of ideas. Many of which I disagreed with. Thank you, I know it had to have been a huge amount of work given the traffic.
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