Originally Posted by
18wheeler_vanrekt
United “squatting” their previously-served SFO-Chengdu is way more reasonable than AA’s never-served SEA-PVG imo. I’m sure Chengdu has an honest chance of returning as it was regularly served from launch until the outbreak unlike Hangzhou (replaced by 2x SFO-PVG) and Xi’an
They even launched LAX-PEK which they hadn’t before served! Far more dedication to [mainland] China than DL/AA
United has a massively better brand to and from China compared to DL/AA and is overall
much larger across the pacific. Delta gets like 4% of its total revenue from TPAC opps. Thats with close partnerships and equity stakes in China Eastern and China Southern for DL/AA.
LAX-PEK is also a hub to hub route for United partner CA.
Originally Posted by
moondog
I promised both myself and you guys that I wouldn't talk about this here, but those caps aren't exactly imposed by the "government". As soon as we hit them, 25 more slot pairs per side will become fair game..
errr. Not saying you are wrong but United taking 3x weekly LAX-PEK got the US side to the max. I believe it is/was 50. Also pretty sure the Chinese side is at the max as well.
Originally Posted by
moondog
United arguably one-ups them on the crazy squatting front (e.g. Chengdu), but DL certainly isn't a stranger to this game (e.g PDX and JFK are pretty much the same).
CTU isn't really slot equating as everything that isn't PEK/PKX, PVG and CAN are open skies. United is sitting on 28 weekly frequnicies to China in the form of ORD-PEK/PVG and EWR-PEK/PVG though. That said, what dormancy did/does Delta sit on from JFK?
Originally Posted by
rudyjb
I think AA applied for a dormancy waiver for both SEA-PVG and DFW-PKX.
and LAX-PVG. All 7 weekly.
FWIW Delta's dormant China routes are ATL-PVG(7), SEA-PKX (7), DTW-PKX(7) and LAX-PVG (4). I fully expect the US government to allow dormancy for ATL-PVG and United's ORD-PEK/PVG and EWR-PEK/PVG to remain dormant till Russian airspace opens. Not that I think anyone is going to be in a hurry to add much more capacity to China.