Originally Posted by
tom tulpe
Filming without consent = illegal in the Netherlands. There is plenty of precedent, even pre-GDPR, that an infringement of the right to respect for personal privacy in principle constitutes an unlawful act (“onrechtmatige daad”). Slapping you to get you to stop is self defence.
I suggest a media campaign, but don't be alarmed if the result of that is you being called a DYKWIA and possibly worse.
Originally Posted by
tom tulpe
Slapping the camera away that's being pointed at you? Absolutely it is self defense, at least in NL. You don't have to plead "please please please stop doing that" with the agressor.
(If you continue to hit after the camera's been dealt with, that's another matter. But one slap is perfectly fine, same as with a reaction to someone touching you up against your will.)
Originally Posted by
tom tulpe
collateral damage, she tried to hit the phone, with any half competent lawyer. You don't even need Saul Goodman
Filming in public spaces in the Netherlands is legal when there is no reasonable expectation of privacy (Article 10, Dutch Constitution). GDPR does not apply to personal recordings (Recital 18 GDPR). Self-defence (Article 41, Dutch Criminal Code) requires an immediate physical threat; stopping someone from recording does not justify physical violence. Schiphol, the business, and the police confirmed that filming was the correct response in this case.
Originally Posted by
UKtravelbear
What has having Privium, a fancy Amex card and being an Easy Jet member got to do with this? You might as well have mentioned your AH bonuskaart or if you have a Museumkaart for all the good any of them would do.
And why ask now about if you should be contacting the police 3 and a half months later? If this was exercising you so much why didn’t you do it there and then? Enquires could have been made for any CCTV footage that may have been available for example. It’s likely to have been deleted by now.
The AMS airport authorities likely won’t do anything as it wasn’t their staff involved. And if they did they would likely side with the cashier and not you. They don’t tolerate rude and aggressive behaviour.
Trying to tell someone how to do their job and to do it again is hardly helpful. What did you lose? A small discount and some points?
You should have just let it go with a smile and a “whoops I’ll remember next time”.
But when you didn’t get your own way you decided to film her! And that made it even worse. So no wonder she slapped you. She was the one who was at the end of aggressive behaviour not you.
And her colleague doesn’t like you either (don’t blame her with your attitude) and now won’t serve you either. Shop staff have every right to refuse service to someone they don’t feel comfortable serving. And trying to film her as well definitely puts you in that category.
Yes do go to the press but as @tom tulpe suggests this won’t go the way you think it will.
This is 100% down to your attitude to both the ladies concerned. You are the aggressor here.
The original post was written using ChatGPT, which is why it included loyalty memberships; they were relevant in complaints to the business and airport.
I allowed HMSHost time to resolve the issue before reporting it to the police, which is legally valid. Assault can be reported up to six years later (Article 70, Dutch Criminal Code). Schiphol already reviewed CCTV, which confirmed the incident.
The discount in question is 100% for Amex Platinum holders, making it financially significant. Recording aggressive behaviour is not aggression; it documents events. Schiphol and HMSHost confirmed the cashier could have simply reprocessed the transaction.
Originally Posted by
KLouis
My brief question to the OP is why on earth do you keep going to the same store, there are plenty of other food places at AMS. At any rate, there are always (at least) two different points of view for everything and "we" definitely can't side with either of you people involved. I agree fully with what UKtravelbear wrote, I would only add that unless you have a witness willing to testify that (s)he saw the cashier hitting you in the face, any visit to the police will be completely futile!
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The shop is the only available option at 06:30 near my gate, sells food that meets my dietary needs, and is the only location offering the Amex Loungebox benefit (100% discount). Schiphol reviewed CCTV, confirming the assault. The Dutch Supreme Court (2020) ruled CCTV evidence is sufficient without an eyewitness.
Originally Posted by
TKFrequentFlyer
We don’t exactly know what happened before she put her hand on the camera, was she only annoyed because she had to scan the items again? perhaps there is more to the story.
I’ve used this loungebox type of thing as well in the past at Schiphol, I have to say it can be a bit confusing because you can only take specific drinks or salads/sandwiches depending on time of day. Also for cashiers it can be complex.
Other than that, it seems you have to take your loss on this one. American Express literally doesn’t care, doesn’t matter how long you are a member or how much you spend, it’s all “fake status” in the end.
The events happened exactly as described. Amex confirmed concern about the incident and is reviewing the matter. The issue is not about status but contractual benefits. The request is simple: access to food before a flight and not being assaulted for using a valid discount.
Originally Posted by
Romanianflyer
Seems like OP has indeed done exactly that, as this appeared today in the Netherlands' biggest newspaper:
https://archive.ph/sDjHt
(archive.org link to bypass the newspaper paywall)
To quote the article, the company HMSHost which is in charge of staffing those outlets has confirmed the incident. An airport representative said that "appropriate action has been taken" to "the traveller's satisfaction". I hope for OP that this is indeed the situation and the case is now closed for him?
I'm not wanting to cast any judgement at anyone involved, but unlike others commenting here I won't be surprised if the full account of OP was indeed true, knowing how bad and even outright aggressive Dutch customer service can be, especially when it involves cheap labour contracted through intermediaries (and I'm saying this as a native Dutchman).
Thank you. I appreciate the support and understanding, especially as you know as a Dutchman how Dutch customer service can be. I could go into the whys and wherefores of this, but I think that's a discussion for another topic around Dutch culture and awareness (or lack of) of modern consumer legislation by Dutch people.
Originally Posted by
tom tulpe
From the article:
"According to HMSHost, discounting is part of normal business operations. “The customer did not follow directions, then irritation ensued,” [the spokesperson] said.
(...)
The situation has since deteriorated so much that [Neo X] is no longer being served at the branch on G Pier when the employee in question is at work. There is no other option at this location in the airport at the very early time he travels because the bar there is not yet open. “Unfortunately, I have to rely on this store because they also have the food I can tolerate there. On Tuesday I had to get the on plane on an empty stomach, because the employee who hit me was at work.” According to HMSHost, the decision to no longer serve [Neo X] at the store is in line with internal procedures, but they say they still would like to resume service to [Neo X] eventually."
"Hardship"?
Originally Posted by
UKtravelbear
I have to rely on this store because they also have the food I can tolerate there
What's to stop him taking the food he can tollerate with him through security? Unless it's liquid of course in which case surely the medical items exemption would apply.
There is no requirement under Schiphol’s regulations or Dutch consumer law that passengers must bring their own food instead of purchasing it at the airport. Shops exist precisely for convenience, especially for travellers who may not have had the opportunity to prepare in advance.
Additionally, American Express Platinum cardholders are contractually entitled to a 100% discount at this establishment, which is part of the Loungebox benefit offered at select European airports. The Dutch Civil Code (Burgerlijk Wetboek, Book 6, Article 217) states that a valid contract must be honoured by both parties, meaning the store is obligated to process the discount as advertised.
Regarding liquid exemptions, EU Regulation 2015/1998, Annex 4-C, allows for medically necessary liquids to be carried through security, but this is irrelevant here since the discussion is about the right to purchase food within the airport under agreed terms rather than reliance on exemptions.
Originally Posted by
tom tulpe
No Amex points
"Amex points"?
Originally Posted by
UKtravelbear
Yes it is to a degree. But how would you like it if some random person told you how to do your job and then shoved a camera infront of your face and started recording?
Shop assistants aren't subservient beings but some people treat them as though they are.
And then the OP did it to another member of staff on a separate ocassion!
I did not instruct the employee on how to do her job. Schiphol Airport and HMSHost have both acknowledged that the cashier could have simply reprocessed the transaction, which is a standard procedure in retail. The Dutch Civil Code (Book 6, Article 162) establishes liability for unlawful acts, which includes failing to provide a contracted service (in this case, the Amex discount).
Recording began only after the employee stepped towards me aggressively while shouting, which is a reasonable action for self-protection. The Dutch Supreme Court (Hoge Raad, 2019) ruled that recording in a public-access area is not unlawful when done to document a potential dispute or protect oneself.
Regarding the second recording, it was directly related to the first incident, as the second employee refused service due to the original complaint. Article 1 of the Dutch Equal Treatment Act (Algemene wet gelijke behandeling, AWGB) prohibits discrimination in service provision, including retaliatory actions by staff.
The assertion that I view shop assistants as subservient is unfounded, and no evidence supports such a claim. The only relevant issue is whether an airport retailer is fulfilling its legal and contractual obligations while maintaining appropriate customer service standards.
Originally Posted by
Silver Fox
He could stop visting the shop for starters.
[mod removed response to deleted portion of quote]
…. my only reason for visiting the shop is to purchase food, which is the exact purpose of an airport retail establishment.
There is no evidence that I have treated staff with disrespect. As I mentioned above in reply to others, under Dutch consumer law, a valid contractual agreement such as the Amex Loungebox benefit must be honoured. My insistence on receiving the agreed-upon discount is not an assertion of superiority, but a basic exercise of consumer rights.
The issue remains that a contracted discount was denied, and a staff member engaged in physical aggression, which Schiphol and HMSHost have acknowledged.
Originally Posted by
Ditto
Of course, shoving a camera in front of the cashier's face should have never happened either, but how would you like it if the cashier told you that you have to pay 10€ more just because the computer says no...
I can imagine restarting the transaction might be annoying to the cashier, maybe they even needed to get their manager to swipe a card or whatever but that's still no excuse to take it out on the customer.
Without actually being there and seeing how it all happened it's really hard to say who "started it".
I was of course present during the incident, and Schiphol Airport has reviewed the CCTV footage, confirming that the cashier initiated the aggression. As a result, the airport acknowledged the incident and sent compensation (flowers) for the experience.
Under Dutch consumer protection laws (Burgerlijk Wetboek, Book 6, Article 193a-193j), businesses are obligated to treat customers fairly and not engage in misleading or aggressive commercial practices. Refusing a valid discount due to internal procedural inconvenience does not override contractual obligations. The Amex Loungebox benefit is a binding agreement between American Express and the retailer, and the Dutch Civil Code requires that agreements be honoured as advertised, as I mentioned above in reply to others.
Regarding recording, the Dutch Supreme Court (Hoge Raad, 2019) has ruled that filming in public-access areas is legally permissible, particularly when done to document a dispute or protect oneself. The recording only began after the cashier aggressively stepped towards me while shouting, which justified my decision to document the interaction for evidence.
As for who "started it," Schiphol's independent review of the CCTV footage confirms that the staff member escalated the situation, leading to their acknowledgment of the poor customer experience.
Originally Posted by
Silver Fox
[He could] have done was to have put whatever special needs food it was back on the shelf and walked out and come back a little later.
My expectation was simply to present my Amex Platinum card and have the pre-agreed 100% Loungebox discount applied, as is contractually required under Dutch Civil Code (Burgerlijk Wetboek, Book 6, Article 217). At no point did I anticipate escalation, as I was merely exercising a standard consumer right.
The suggestion to “walk out and come back later” was not feasible. The shop opens at 06:30, and my flight was scheduled to depart at 07:00, meaning I had a limited window of time to purchase food before heading to my gate. Delaying this was not a realistic option, especially considering airport security protocols and the time needed to board.
Additionally, Schiphol's CCTV footage confirms that the cashier initiated aggression immediately, making it impossible to de-escalate in the way you suggest. The airport has acknowledged this by sending compensation for the incident. My decision to stand my ground was not about being difficult, but about ensuring that businesses adhere to contractual obligations and that consumers are treated fairly under Dutch consumer protection laws (Articles 193a-193j, Book 6 of the Civil Code).