Comparing their fares to BR are they generally more expensive on business class? I fly from BKK to YYZ and return and it could be KUL to YYZ or MNL to YYZ and the PE product on the BR 777 is fairly good. The business is very good. I know the CX business is very good too but not sure about the CX PE service. I should know soon as flying a short haul on PE on them.