Originally Posted by
Pendergast
I didn't say Europe is a country. I said that if you'll dial 911 in Europe, you'll be directed to 112 automatically. It's been simplified that way so that if visiting people call the emergency number of their homeland that they're used to, they'll automatically get reconnected to 112. Hence, do you research before commenting.
No one has said that there's a law requiring airlines boarding Americans. I said that no American can be denied boarding a flight to their homeland USA, since US-citizens have the legal (see below) right to enter the USA, and therefore can't be denied of a trip to the USA, whether it's a return or visit. What I mean by this is that Americans have the right to return or readmittance to their homeland USA as US-citizens, meaning for example, that they can't be denied boarding by refusing to answers question about what the purpose of their trip to the USA is (many of them live there obviously, and are returning from overseas traveling), whether it's a visit or return to the USA.
Legally protected by US Code, Title 8, Section 1185:
https://uscode.house.gov/view.xhtml?...edition=prelim
...as well as the 14th Amendment, Part 1:
https://www.archives.gov/milestone-d...14th-amendment
Airline personnel and private contractors, like ICTS, deny Americans boarding a flight to the USA, simply because those Americans have refused to answer question about their life in the USA and purpose of the trip (why? I'm American, I live in my homeland USA and I'm returning from an international trip), based on pretextual orders of the TSA, DHS and/or CBP.
But let's reverse it. Show me the order from the TSA, DHS and/or CBP, which factually indicates and instructs airlines and ICTS to interrogate Americans on their way back home to their homeland, and deny boarding those who refuse to answer why they're traveling (back) to their homeland USA?
Neither the TSA, DHS nor the CBP stands above the US constitution.
Originally Posted by
Xyzzy
I'll skip all the details and just say that if the airline is not convinced that you are a US citizen or that you can lawfully enter the US they can -- and will -- deny you boarding. If the captain of the aircraft doesn't want y
u on board for some reason (ex: you called 911/112 and made a huge scene at the boarding gate), the airline will deny you boarding.
And if the police in your hometown thinks you're guilty of pedophilia and drug dealing, then they will arrest you. What are you talking about? No airline can't deny an American boarding a flight to the USA, just because they're "convinced" they're not Americans. Based on what is an American not an American?`They have to prove it. And also, as a US-citizen you have an automatic lawsuit case by being denied a return/readmittance to the USA, since no US government can't deny entry to an American. Again, we're not talking about criminals. Airlines can get big fines for just denying an American return to the USA without a probable cause. Not being convinced because a non white, blond and blue eyed person is an American with a valid US passport is not probable cause. And I'm not talking about non-US-citizens, because they can be denied entering the USA, without any reason, or refusing to say what their purpose of traveling to the US is.
So you're saying that Americans are walking around with fake passports? Why am I not a US-citizen? Because I was born in the USA but with black hair and an uncommon name? Or that I'm not white, blond and blue eyed? If the airline is convinced that American US-citizens aren't US citizens and that 340 000 000 (as of aug 2023) Americans are walking around with fake passport, they have to proof it, before they can deny any American (not talking about non-US citizens with tourist visas) boarding and access to the their homeland USA. No one is talking about criminals being denied boarding. ICTS and airlines literally refuse US-citizens boarding, not because of their passports, but because they refuse to answer what they're doing in their homeland USA, that is what the purpose of their trip to the USA is. An American living inside USA, flying overseas visiting Paris and London, is denied boarding upon return, because he/she refuses to say why he/she is returning (home). The purpose of the trip to the USA here is returning home as an American. It's any Americans constitutional right to travel from and to their homeland USA. ICTS and the airlines suddenly are convinced that American tourist flying home are not Americans? Based on what?
Again read the post before commenting. No one has said that the purpose of calling 911/112 is to cause a scene or a ruckus, or scream, or to induce another solar system to blow up the earth, or whatever you want to imaginate. I don't know why you make up these things. Every person has the right to a perception, and if I perceive that I'm being harassed by way of racial profiling and targeting, and that a person in a black suit posing as a private contractor och airline personnel has unlawfully taken my passport, I can, based on my perception call the police. The police will even respond to "hey I'm an American on my way my home/returning home but I'm being denied boarding on my booked US bound flight". No the captain can't deny you boarding for just "some reason". Quit daydreaming and come back to reality. The airline and the captain must have probable cause/reason to deny you boarding, which has to be presented to you. Not answering what you, an American returning home from a tourist trip, do inside your homeland USA, or what your parent's names are, is not a probable cause to deny you boarding, and you're certainly not posing a security threat.
No this isn't true. If an American is denied boarding on a US-bound flight, the airline is actually and simultaneously letting an unlawful citizen, that American they denied boarding, into the country the flight is departing from. You simply contact immigration at the airport of the immigration of that country and sooner or later you'll be deported back home to the USA. It takes of course more days, but you'll be sent back at some point, since you're not a citizen of that country. And by having been previously denied boarding, that airline or the captain, has actually let an illegal immigrant, that American they denied boarding, into that country the flight was departing from, and will thus be a case for litigation by that countries immigration. And the lawsuit regarding a case like this is very simple, "why did you let an illegal immigrant into the country?" (again, I'm not talking about criminals, but Americans returning home from an international trip, who were denied boarding because the captain and airlines "felt" like they were not Americans, based on you logic)
So obviously the details does matter 
Because according to the US Code title 8 Section 1185, an American only needs a valid US passport to return to her/his homeland USA, that is "the State wherein they reside", 14th Amendment. They, thus, don't need to answer what they're doing in that State wherein they reside or what their parent's name is, or which restaurants they go to.
Last edited by Pendergast; Feb 3, 2025 at 12:33 am