Originally Posted by
razorblade705
. With that said, WJ's 15-25% pay raise would serve as the floor now for what AC Pilots want and I expect anything less than that would not help in reaching a deal early and probably even make the job action worse.
Not sure how much it will matter, WS pilots started from a much lower wage than AC.
Originally Posted by
songsc
The problem is, for pilots earning $300K a year, they are likely to retire soon and they don’t mind throwing the new hires and their company under the bus to get that $50K increase.
Contract ratification is based on 50%+1 of the vote to pass. There has been a lot of pilots hired pre and post covid. The senior guys don't have as much say.
Originally Posted by
flyingcrooked
I assume this isn't knowable at this point, but perhaps people with a better understanding of the union and negotiations can make an educated guess: If the last day of the current contract is Sept 29, and there ends up being a strike, is that likely to happen immediately (e.g. the 30th) or some days later, after it becomes clear negotiations have broken down?
After negotiations break down, I think there has to be a 2 week cooling off period followed by 72 hours strike notice.
Research the fed gov't strike for details.
Originally Posted by
songsc
Are you really suggesting that AC has no choice other than paying whatever the union is asking? As I mentioned, union isn’t a solitary entity where everyone think of the benefits of every fellow member, everyone think of their own benefits. Greed is the weakness.
Think about it, why do new FOs have such low salary, did they vote low salary for themselves?
Greed applies to everyone. Employees, managers, owners and customers. All want more for themselves.
Generations of pilots have been wiling to sacrifice entry level pay for higher wages.
Pilots have many more options to choose from these days. Entry level pay has become more important. See recent WS settlement.
Originally Posted by
jazzsax
.... a pilot who is one of many thousands in the workforce makes no sense.
One of thousands in a work force. A work force where 10s of thousands are needed. Supply/demand is in the pilots favour.
Originally Posted by
Eagle2000
I had a return J class flight from Haneda on Oct 1 2023. Taking ZERO chances, I cancelled that trip....
You're either paranoid or wanted to cancel the trip anyways.
In the event of a labour disruption, bring your patience and you will be re accommodated. At your chosen carriers expense.