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Old Dec 14, 2022 | 6:47 am
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Originally Posted by hugolover
Have LOT realised they’re worse off? They really signed off on this?

There's even more incentive for a PL based member to choose LH Group over LO. Plus despite what was promised, still no HON miles in Y, this matters as LO only have Y domestic. LO have told their members to please, go fly LH Group. And its harder to work it out, a lot of people will get caught out.

LOL at it being less complicated, theres now points, qualifying points, HON Circle Miles and award miles?

Going forward a return in business to Europe via WAW... the Y feeder to WAW earns 20 points / 20 qualifying plus then the 40 points and qualifying for the C. Hence an EU return would be 120. Versus Lufthansa where the feeder to the hubs is in C and earns 160 points.

SEN is earned with 12.5 returns on LH Group, no matter if it's P or not.

If you fly LO, you’re an idiot. Return in C via WAW would be 120 points and qualifying so 16.6 returns...no matter if its Y and C.

The pax I can’t understand are screwed are high fare Y flyers despite the immense profitability of Y, B and M fares…

Right now a rip-off Y, B return to Europe earns you SEN in 18 returns on all M&M valid two years. Going forward it will be 25 returns valid one year.

I can’t see them keeping onboard SEN’s who can easily achieve Star Gold with some other programme, and still earn really good miles based on the high RBDs.

Finally, the political class are totally screwed in PL.

Right now 80 one ways to/from WAW, 40 returns are SEN valid two years in RBD Y.
Now they need 100 one ways in RBD Y…valid only one year.
This will massively clear out many of them, some of them are struggling now.

LO leaving M&M has to be on the cards so soon. This is a disaster for them. That is, if they even realise, or understand M&M at all .

Like LH cares what LO thinks

You are missing a couple of points though.

Nobody buys Y, B, M because they want miles. The days of corporate contracts forcing high fare classes are also over.

People are only buying these high-margin fares if they have no other choice*. LH does not need to incentivize them to buy them. LH needs to drive marginal business for anyone, in any class, if they were not planning to fly or not to fly LH.
Simplifying the point system is a great tool to do that. Your average customer will not try and figure out that he needs 1817 miles and how to best get them, he'll just leave it be. But he is much more likely to see "hmm, only missing 85 points, let's fly to christmas markets in Vienna and get the card for next year".

I am also interested to see if we will see migration from M&M to other FFPs, particularly if LO ends up making one of their own (or perhaps joining Eurobonus or something?). A lot of M&M apologists were saying that the absurdly high qualification requirements were justified by the status being valid for two years (which was an invalid argument anyway but I digress), this will be immediately clear in comparison now as the requirements are still double comparable programs for *G but now only valid the same one year.

*usually this means that they are buying at high demand times, but sometimes it is for political reasons and those folks don't have a choice either.
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