Originally Posted by FLYaway3x
Let me give you a little situation. Pre 9/11 I was on a connecting flight in Germany. In between my LH flights I had to go through security. I buzzed in the metal detector and had the pat-down. Let me tell you it was tame in comparison to what people are accusing the TSA of.
Well, women are accusing the TSA of making them take their tops off. Did you have to do that?
And just because something is worse somewhere else doesn't make it OK. There's genocide in the Sudan and 50,000 people have died. That doesn't mean it's OK for the US to randomly kill 49,999 people.
The fact of the matter is that airport security is nothing new. Remember Lockerbie? I think we all want to prevent another one of those. If that means that I have a pat down that's fine. I have nothing to hide and it doesn't bother me!
Airport security is nothing new, but it's getting more invasive, but not providing more security.
Even a body cavity search wouldn't have prevented Lockerbie. In fact, since we don't screen air cargo, 100 planes could easily be blown up in the US today.
Americans were united and we promised that we would make a stand and not allow terrorism to infiltrate our airways again. People gave RESPECT to the TSA. There was no shouting or screaming at people who are doing an honest job making an honest living.
Yes, but apparently we were united for different reasons. I thought we were united around a love for freedom and liberty. Most other people, apparently, were united around a cliff where they could throw their freedom and liberty away.
People seem to forget that a major reason that your shoes are inspected is because someone tried to blow up a plane with his! For some reason it became a huge hassle to take off your shoes if you were asked to.
It's always been a hassle to take your shoes off if you don't want to. I wear my shoes outdoors for some very specific reasons - e.g. it's dirty outside.
If you don't want to, then charter a jet.
If you don't want to submit to a body cavity search and a DNA test, charter a jet. Where does this mentality end?
I was in JFK yesterday and was waiting to go through the metal detector. I saw a woman being patted down by another woman and screamed that she was being groped. COME ON! This woman had nothing to be proud of in the looks department
Ah, so if a woman isn't pretty enough, then anything goes?
I am amazed at the lack of respect that these FEDERAL EMPLOYEES get!
Federal employees are deserving of no more respect than anyone else. I treat everyone with respect - so long as I'm being treated with respect by them, too.
If the FBI showed up at your house, I would bet that no one on this board would treat them with the disrespect that some of you give TSA employees!
If the FBI shows up with NO reason, starts invading my privacy and generally hassling me, then I wouldn't be a gracious host.
If you are going to be searched you have the right to ask for a member of the same sex to search you and you can be searched in a private area! I have never seen it denied!
What if I'd feel more comfortable with a member of the opposite sex?
This is a bigger problem overall. There is a serious lack of respect of authority post 9/11.
Why should we blindly respect authority? Authority has to earn our respect, which those in charge are not doing right now. Hassles != security.
We don't live in a dictatorship or a monarchy where we are required to respect authority. We live in a country that is supposed to uphold our rights and freedom.
It is not an excuse to give the TSA a hard time though!
I agree. If they do the right thing, I won't give them a hard time.
"Do to others as you would have them do to you" If you need to find it it is in Luke 6:31.
I agree completely! I don't treat my fellow people like criminals, they and the government shouldn't treat me like one either. ^
Originally Posted by BearX220
I totally disagree. I think there is a serious love affair with authority post 9/11, and a serious lack of passion for the personal rights and individual liberties that are bedrock American values.
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