I discovered this about 20 years ago. The only big chain pizza I've had that might be worse is Little Caesar's...and it's pretty close. At least here in the Midwest, it seems to me that people consider Papa John's a step above Domino's, Pizza Hut, etc. I just don't get it. Fortunately in the Chicago area, we have a family run pizza shop just about every other block, so I haven't touched one of the above-mentioned chains in a looooong time.