lady's and gentlemen, whith all due respect, those of you griumbling abot these electiions, the talkbopard members, and the mods, do something about it. all i see is grumbling upon the same theme with different tunes, yet you do not step up to the plate and go where you can do the most good. run for election or vollentur for a job. then when you get there you can make the changes that you desire. please excuse the spelling. [reaching for my flack jacket]