Originally Posted by
escapefromphl
I don't see how they can remove quarantine in July. The virus is holding steady in parts of the mainland, if they open in July they will undo everything they have done in the last few weeks. They don't have the systems in place to do the amount of testing required.
It could easily be done just like Iceland, Austria. Test on arrival and use a mandatory phone tracing app. But the government is too lazy, too stupid or too risk averse to figure this out. In the meantime thousands of Hawaiians are unemployed which is going to cause even more health problems and deaths down the road.
As for the mainland, there are many parts of California (and other states) where there have been few or none positive cases in weeks. It would make a lot of sense to distinguish between NYC metro and rural Wyoming in terms of quarantine on arrival. Again, Hawaii government is too lazy (to be fair so are others).
Originally Posted by
usedtobeimportant
Your conflating laws with values.
Could you imagine the protests that would have happened if the USA has had a lockdown like Spain (no going out even for exercise) for seven weeks?
Just look upstream in this topic for an example of some behavior. A few people have mentioned guns if they were asked to quarantine in a hotel rather than their own homes. Yet in Australia and New Zealand that's exactly what people were expected to do and did. No protests, guns etc because there value system is more towards common good.
Disagree. If USA didn't value common good then we would have stayed open like Sweden and/or people would not have respected the quarantine (over 90% for most of the blue cities, according to mobile phone data). The difference is that we value our freedoms and do not give them up lightly. This is reinforced by the courts which are generally loathe to impose broad restrictions on freedom when a more narrow one will do. I can't speak to AZ and NZ (having not resided there) but maybe they are just more content to emulate sheep.