Originally Posted by
Owenc
Because your states are reopening and allowing the virus to spread further. They should not be reopening.
Why? About 1/2 of the cases and deaths in the U.S. are in NY and the NYC overflow into NJ. Some states have almost no cases. Why should they be closed? Since re-opening FL and GA have seen a DECREASE in the number of cases. Beyond that every state NEEDS to open soon or we will have no economy left to save. Can anyone explain to me why we can't let healthy people under 65 go back to living their normal lives? If people with pre-existing conditions or other at risk populations want to stay home and continue isolating, no one is going to stop them.
Originally Posted by
Owenc
And you don't think the American governemnt will have even stricter plans for us? I have been watching the broadcasts and many are now starting to blame Europe, including the New York Governor.
Cuomo is a joke. We all know it came from China. Sure some of the cases came from Europe to NY, but it's laughable to leave out that they came to Europe from China in the first place.
Originally Posted by
Owenc
The EU does not want to exacerbate it's problems, by allowing people to visit from a country that is not taking the situation seriously.
How is the U.S. not taking it seriously? We have locked down the entire country for weeks, and done more testing than any other country. The point of lock downs was to flatten the curve so the healthcare system wasn't overwhelmed. Not for everyone to stay inside until no one is infected. As noted many times, the U.S. deaths per million #s are much better than W.Europe. It's not fair to compare the total # of cases or deaths between France for example and the U.S., considering the U.S. has a population around 340mm. If you add up the populations of Italy, Spain, UK and France, you're still about 100mm short of the U.S. population, but you have many more COVID deaths. Why isn't Europe doing more?
Originally Posted by
Dieuwer
I think you confuse Trumps' outbursts RE: Corona vs. what governors of e.g. NY and CA are doing. Newsom of California and Cuomo of New York are taking the situation very seriously.
Newsome and Cuomo are idiots. Cuomo created the problem in NY by not preparing the state at all and refusing to shelter in place in early March because he got into a pissing contest with DiBlasio. His poor actions directly impacted the severity in NY/NJ. As mentioned almost 1/2 of the total deaths and cases in the U.S. are in NY and the NYC spillover into NJ. Cuomo also instituted the brilliant policy of taking seniors discharged from hospitals and putting them back into nursing homes which killed hundreds if not more. He subsequently granted the nursing homes immunity from being sued likely to cover his own role. Great job Cuomo!
Originally Posted by
Epicura
https://www.google.be/amp/s/www.bbc....urope-52491210
Belgium has been over reporting. Half of the fatalities are non-confirmed COVID19.
Many other countries do only count hospital deaths and only confirmed COVID19 cases.
Current numbers are also much lower by now, even when still counting non-confirmed deaths in care homes.
The U.S. is also massively over reporting deaths. If you get hit by a car but you have asymptomatic COVID...covid death. I recently read about a drug overdose that was counted as COVID. Health officials have said a patient could have terminal cancer, be in hospice with days to live, then if they contract COVID, they go in as a COVID death. Many hospitals are instructed to count anyone who died with respiratory issues as a COVID death even if there's no test. Dr. Birx stated she feels the CDC death #s may be 25% too high.
The entire world economy is in shambles. What needs to happen is that we open up and get on with it. 80k people died of the flu in the U.S. in 2017, did the entire world close? If we don't open soon, there will be no economy left to return to. People over 65, those with pre-existing conditions and those who work with or live with those people should continue to shelter in place. Healthy people under 65 need to get back to work and restart the world. Let's go already.