Dave, I agree with you. I meant it in the context of being able to pull an F Saver LAX-LHR as opposed to BA's Club World where at the last minute you might well end up in one of the "coffins" in the middle -- one of the worst J products in the sky these days.I do think that BA F is better than AA F, but regardless, it is light years better than BA J. The comment was strictly about cesco's mention of being tempted by seeing an F Saver on BA.