Originally Posted by
tmiw
Which only works if you can fill those seats. And history has shown that is fairly difficult (if not impossible), at least at CRQ.
Various destinations in CA, NV and AZ per
Wikipedia. I only remember ever hearing about CRQ-SJC and CRQ-LAS, though.
IIRC CPA was only ever doing a few flights a day per destination.
History ? What history ? The only history is small aircraft up to 70 seaters to places like SJC & LAS. Has a 135 seater ever flown into CRQ ? Economies of scale & only a few flights per day. That will never attract business types.
Originally Posted by
tmiw
1.5 million within a 25 mile radius of Carlsbad, CA. However, the southern edge of that circle is close enough to SAN that many will just go there instead. Reducing that circle to 15 miles reduces the population to 785,000 or so.
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Source for data.)
Also keep in mind that there's significant traffic on the major highways leading to it, which will be a factor too.
Sure, it could take off from there. However, the A220-100 has a 135 passenger max capacity. If California Pacific Airlines couldn't fill Embraer jets (~70 seat capacity), I'm not sure how Moxy would do any better with twice the seats to fill.
(The A220 also uses 2.81kg/km of fuel per flight, vs. 2.3kg/km for the E170. Which definitely isn't going to help if the loads aren't good enough.)
Why would anyone go to SAN when they could fly out of Carlsbad ? Have driven SAN/LAX. 1.5 million relatively affluent Americans sounds like a decent base ? The range of an A220 would allow it to fly much further than CPA.
Originally Posted by
BearX220
The market, that's who. That's why they're spending ungody sums to expand LHR capacity while crickets chirp at Luton.
A tad premature given that Moxy does not even exist yet.
Again, the market begs to differ. A lot of entrepreneurs go out and tell the marketplace how wrong it is to want what it wants, and try to force people to choose something different. It rarely works.
Such companies have favored contract pricing with a "big boy" carrier. They don't pay last-minute civilian fares. If you don't think those big boys will make selective deals to defend that revenue channel and freeze Moxy out, just as they used price wars to run off PeoplExpress, Air Florida, Muse Air, Independence Air, Midway, SkyBus, the new National, Western Pacific, etc., etc. -- virtually all post-deregulation insurgent airlines in the US except America West and JetBlue -- well, sit back and watch the knife fight.
Not saying Moxy is dead before it starts. I'm saying Neeleman has to crack a heretofore uncracked code. Not only that, the last time he ran this play, with JetBlue in the late '90s, the barriers to entry in the NA airline market were a lot lower than today.
Heathrow must be one of the worlds worst airports from a pax perspective. Great for operator of the airport, due to economies of scale. Why would any business type heading for the city, fly into LHR, when they could fly into London City ? Cos only certain aircraft can get into LCY with certain range. No idea if an A220 can get into LCY, but the point is there are always options for the business traveller. Think all the examples you give above are airlines that flew the same aircraft as the big boys. Only Delta(of big boys) has ordered the A220 AFAIK. What if Moxy only flies to airports that can't take a B737/A319-20. Then it's only real competitor would be Delta & maybe they won't fly to Delta ports or maybe Delta wouldn't try to compete on price. I think Moxy will be cheaper than last minute fares on the big boys, which is where all airlines make the big bucks. LCCs make some, but business types don't fly LCCs in general.
just realised an A220 could easily go west coast USA to east coast USA nonstop & vice versa. That must open up a lot of routes, that the big boys force you to go through a hub to get to. Hubs add hours to any trip & potential delays are enormous.
Look at what the B787 & now a A350 has done to hub busting long haul.
The A380 is "dead"