Sorry I don't get the excitement over the CA business product in this thread. CA routinely (or rather semi-permanently) offers 1500-2000€ fares ex Europe to China/SE Asia/E Asia and Australia, similar to TG and AI. These book into CA R, which only earns 100% on most *A FFP. The service is not stellar and roughly on par with AI & TG, plus the EU schedules are really not in tune with their regional schedule, which means you often have long layovers in PEK. So your get a decent fare which reflects the product/experience delivered.