A google search for "Sony V20" turns up thousands of links to online stores, pricegrabber sites, and epinion ratings of the camcorder I originally recommended, which is still being sold by a number of merchants, likely at a discount.

A person with a functioning brain can likely figure out which camera I am talking about on the Sony site.

Further, my advice was to choose a camera based on the OP's specific needs and not just search for a random model number for a camera with features they may not need. A-hem. I suggested the Sony as a good basic model.

The Mogotech is only available in Argentina, so I doubt it would work for the OP.

But thanks anyway for your contributions to the thread. We all have to appreciate your Dutch efficiency in finding information.