If you are looking into an iPod, you might want to look around for clearances on the older 3rd generation. You might be able to get a good deal on a 15G or 20G player. Keep in mind that the 3rd gen. 20G iPod comes with the dock and remote whereas the 4th gen. 20G iPods include neither. Of course, neither of these may be important to you (you don't need the dock to use the iPod and I almost never use my remote). And there's the fact that the 4th gen's have greatly improved battery life.