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Old Nov 26, 2018, 2:25 pm
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Originally Posted by coolfish1103
April 2018

LAX
CAL 19,202/21,838 87.9
EVA 48,167/58,470 82.4

ONT
CAL 12,448/21,480 58.0

CAL combined: 31,650/43,318 73.1

It appears that most of the CAL pax moved from the afternoon flight to evening (albeit CAL has provided free charge of moving pax around due to 5/6 cancelled).

Viewing from previous stats it appears neither EVA pax moved to CAL nor vice versa. However, the increase in frequencies from 5 LAX to 7 ONT (or initial plan of 4 to 7 backfired cause there simply isn't enough pax on the afternoon flight. On top of that, business transit pax most likely disappeared in this equation.
Originally Posted by coolfish1103
They manage to go lower in stats for May, but it’s an overall decrease in the LA region, including EVA.

For CAL in May 2018:
ONT 12,857/22,196 57.9
LAX 18,378/21,838 84.2

Originally Posted by coolfish1103
August just got released.

ONT
6 15,442/21,480 71.9%
7 15,186/22,196 68.4%
8 15,439/20,406 75.7%


LAX
6 19,312/21,480 89.9%
7 19,800/22,196 89.2%
8 20,382/22,554 90.4%

LAX/BR
6 50,626/58,147 87.1%
7 52,194/59,106 88.3%
8 54,173/61,011 88.8%
Originally Posted by coolfish1103
2018/09
17,803/21,480 82.9 ci/lax
43,777/55,836 78.4 br/lax
10,656/14,678 72.6 ci/ont
Originally Posted by coolfish1103
I think the ONT flight is capturing the market moving into evenings.

2018/10
LAX
CI 18,858/22,196 85.0%
BR 48,767/60,115 81.1%

ONT/CI 13,697/16,514 82.9%

Wonder if EVA is feeling any pressure now?

2017/10
LAX
CI 34,505/42,244 81.7%
BR 47,968/60,448 79.4%
I think we need to stop looking at the load factor % because of the equipment change.

Going by the raw passenger count, the picture for ONT is still a bit mixed... The October passenger count is about 1,200 higher than April when the route launched with forced change from people who booked CI5/6. That's about 20 per day each way. Good... not not great.

And the ONT service has basically no impact on BR's ops at LAX. The load factors (since no equipment or frequency change, we can directly compare the %) are pretty much where they were in April. Both BR and CI went up during summer months.

Basically, I would say it is still too early to say ONT is a success (or failure). My guess is CI 5/6 ex-LAX was making about the same amount as ONT now. The lower operating costs of A350 (assuming there is one) is probably more than offset by the fixed costs of split ops and lost cargo revenue.
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