Originally Posted by
YEG_SE4Life
1) Are you saying that punitive actions weren't taken? The pilots were suspended.
2) Would it not be accurate to say that, once the pilots asked for clarification, due to the fact that they saw lights, they were starting to take action? Their action did appear to be slower than the Delta pilots, but that doesn't mean that the Delta pilots weren't fatigued. And what of the planes that have landed on taxiways, but didn't happen to strike anything in the process?
3) I will take your word on how many jurisdictions have tighter fatigue laws, because I really don't know. However, do you really believe that TC is motivated more by the ability for the airline to make money, than for the safety of the passengers?
1. Not quite what I'm saying. I'm talking about putting punitive penalties in place before hand to shape reserve pilot behaviour. There is presumably some economic incentive associated with operating as a reserve. The risk associated with taking advantage of that incentive when impaired needs to be commensurately high before hand.
2. For better or worse, they reacted slowly, and compounded it by claiming they were too tired to report the incident. While anything is possible with respect to DL, the onus is on you, as the person making the claim, to show evidence that the DL pilots were in fact fatigued. What we know is DL misaligned and corrected without breaching any safety limits. What we also know is that AC took this shockingly close, and that AC's own pilots have claimed that fatigue impaired their performance during the incident and their post-flight reaction to it. The DL issue is a bit of a red herring IMHO.
3. Dont take my word for it. Take the FAA and TC's. It's on page 6/7 of this submission. Note that TC's proposed new rules are also inferior to the global average.
https://dms.ntsb.gov/public/61000-61499/61112/614672.pdf
4. What do I think about TC's motivations? Let me put it this way: in the 2016 review of the Transport Canada Act, Emerson all but accused them of suffering from regulatory capture in some aspects of the way they do business with respect to aviation. Would it surprise me if that approach bled over into this area? No.