Originally Posted by bicker

I don't. At best, it makes no sense to criticize something out of the context of the alternatives. At worst, it is deceptive and manipulative - saying so would be "a little strong".

The luxury line I mentioned, Seabourn, is owned by that same large corporation. You'll get a better response from Seabourn because you paid for a higher grade of service from Seabourn than from Holland America.

Which brings us back to my comment about "nonsense".