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Old Apr 24, 2018, 10:28 am
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smgainey
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
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Originally Posted by bhrubin


Wonderful--you and I now can agree that there is no massive devaluation.

Apparently, I misconstrued your charge of 40% devaluation as massive. You must have meant minimal? My apologies.

You don't want to pay 100K points/night for a hotel that currently costs 70K points per night. Wonderful--don't pay it! Problem solved. You're most welcome to stay at those same properties off peak when they still are 70K points/night or find other options. Freedom of choice is alive and well.

Of course, we still don’t know which of the Tier 5 RC properties will move to the new Category 8. So I’d say that everyone’s still getting their panties in a bunch for no definitive reason quite yet.

You're unhappy about devaluations. No one likes devaluations. Yet the rest of us accept that they are a simple fact of life with loyalty programs. If you don't want devaluations, perhaps you might avoid all loyalty programs to save yourself the displeasure?



In the case of this loyalty program, while you complain only about some or most of the current Tier 5 Ritz Carlton properties (we still don't know) going from the current 70,000 points to either 70K-85K-100K points, I also consider that the some or most of the current Category 7 SPG properties (we still don't know) are going from the current 90K-105K points to 70K-85K-100K--a pretty obvious discount and revaluation. actually.

Since there are far more current SPG Category 7 properties than there are current Tier 5 RC properties, there is more to be pleased about than to complain about IMO. The fact that some or most of the SPG Category 7 properties are so much better and more appealing than many or most of the Tier 5 RC properties is just icing on the cake. Tier 5 RC includes Naples, Boston, Grand Cayman, St. Thomas, and Dubai! RC had you hood-winked into believing those were world class hotels as good as SPG Category 7 examples like the StR Bora Bora, StR San Francisco, StR New York, The Chatwal NYC, Gritti Palace Venice, Mystique Santorini, Prince de Galles Paris, StR Florence, StR Punta Mita, StR Bal Harbour, W South Beach, Canyon Suites at the Phoenician Scottsdale, President Wilson Geneva, W Verbier, Al Maha Dubai,. StR Bali, W Bali, Suiran Kyoto, StR Maldives, W Maldives, etc. Sorry, but you're winning a LOT more than you're losing--you just don't realize it yet.

Certainly, there is at least just as much if not more to be pleased about with the new Category 8 options as there is to complain about. You are only looking at the negatives without any consideration of the substantive positives.

In the scheme of loyalty programs, the fact that so many extraordinary SPG Category 7 properties, many to most of which are superior even to the Tier 5 RC properties, are going DOWN in redemption value is extraordinary. Extraordinarily positive.
I never said that there weren't good things about this merger. Please don't tell me what I do or do not realize. Those are your ignorant assumptions. You seem to think that if someone is unhappy about one specific thing then that means she's unhappy about everything.

Obviously if I want to use points in the new program to stay at a Ritz Carlton that is in the new Category 8 during a peak time then I will have to pay 100k points if that's what they charge (assuming I have enough points). I'm not just going to forgo my vacation or stop participating in loyalty programs. I am also not hoodwinked. Please don't assume that I want to go to the locations for the hotels that you listed. I have been wanting to visit St Thomas for a while and the Ritz Carlton is the best hotel there for which I can use Marriott points. Your point would be valid if there was a better St Regis or Luxury Collection hotel in St Thomas but there is not. We don't yet know if this particular hotel will be Category 8 or when peak times will be, but I have a specific redemption in mind next year for which I've been saving points based on 70k points per night, so if they increase the cost to 100k points per night before I'm able to book my stay (since the hotel was devastated by a hurricane they will not allow bookings even though it's scheduled to open in January) then I may not be able to go on that trip due to lack of points. Can you understand this?

I accept your apology for putting words into my mouth, but I would also appreciate it if you would stop with the sarcasm and condescending tone, and stop making assumptions about what I think or value. Thank you.
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