Originally Posted by ethernal

Delta doesn't even fly JFK to PVG nonstop so they are not even very competitive in that market. And yet the cheapest business fare I can find on this route with a month advanced purchase with regular TPAC business travel dates is around $10K.

10K for TPAC is a very normal advanced booking TPAC fare. A high demand trip like Saturday -> Thursday/Friday TPAC fare booked only a week or two in advance is easily 15K on some routes. This is a typical example - it's not cherry picked; look at the ICN route as another example. These are not even Full J fares - J "last seats" often run 20-25K+.