On a different note, I flew Air Canada on a 14 hour flight from Toronto to Shanghai earlier this week in their 777 in J. Really nice, I think superior hard product to Air NZ and found staff to be very good. Food was excellent, especially they had proper mid flight snacks (a choice of noodle soup, dim sum, a salad, chicken skewers and ice cream) as well as the usual chips and fruit and chocolate bars. Huge TV and a really good selection of movies. If they started flying to NZ would be some real competition