catman, tell me about it. I was born in Dec. '63 and obviously missed much of these goings-on. I was intrigued one of the last times I was on a UA 747-100 (2 class domestic/hawaii) from ORD to SEA and saw an dumbwaiter which was used to move trays of meals from the MAIN DECK up to the upper deck. Seemed really strange. I'd seen them from the lower deck to the main deck on other widebodies (L-1011 etc) but this was interesting. Apparently they didn't have ovens upstairs.