Originally Posted by
DYKWIA
There's also Piccadilly to Leeds - which is a quicker service (about 50 minutes).
I agree. Definitely would not recommend the VIC to LDS trains unless you enjoy a much longer journey, taking in lots of small towns across the Pennines, and sitting on very old trains.
For Manchester to Leeds the Piccadilly services are much better, more frequent, and a lot faster.