I told the chap my situation and he checked and came back with the huge fare difference , i then said any way we can get it down including changing the fare group and he said no difference , i also tried the DYKWIA method and that failed. Skywardshunter what do you think the chances of a op-up are , seeing you fly mostly out of JNB , many plats,golds and silvers ? I am more acquainted with CPT !