Originally Posted by
Sky.is.the.limit
Hi holypiston
Your stopover allowance is correct for both options, the problem comes from elsewhere. There is a couple of issues with your itineraries,
Re the routing, you have to finish your trip in EG, not in JO. It’s not really a problem as you still have a spare coupon in your itinerary so you can add a RJ sector AMM CAI, even if you end up not using it. It still fits with the mileage >34K for both options. Then we have a second issue, this one is more complicated to get around. It comes from the PPT-AKL sector, operated by TN. Your ticket will be issued on QR but QR don’t have ticketing agreements with TN, which prevents you from booking these trips. So you can either keep your itinerary as is and book that leg separately (it’s quite expensive) or change your plating carrier but that will involve also changing your itinerary. Are you flexible on the routing? If so try to change the sequence of your flight and go for this combo CAI-LON-JNB-GRU-BUE-SCL-IPC-PPT-AKL-SYD-BKK-DOH-ATH (side trip to Vienna separately)-AMM-CAI – 33963 miles, BA ticket, roughly 4200USD in total (side trip to Vienna not included).
Re the OW pass, yes you can. Just note that it’s only quoted in economy and you need a minimum of 3 sectors. It’s worth comparing the cost with the normal fares first as most of the time it ends up more expensive to get a pass rather than side tickets.
Originally Posted by
Calchas
Sky.is.the.limit thanks for joining us here. However I have a few issues with your answer, I hope you don't mind if I bring them out.
I don't understand why that would be the case.
Both the oneworld explorer and the oneworld global explorer permit the final destination to be in another country.
Code:
D/TRAVEL MAY ORIGINATE AT ANY POINT FOR WHICH
FARES ARE PUBLISHED AND MUST TERMINATE AT THE
SAME POINT EXCEPT THAT ORIGIN- DESTINATION
SURFACE SEGMENTS ARE PERMITTED AS FOLLOW -
A - WITHIN COUNTRY OF ORIGIN
B - WITHIN THE MIDDLE EAST
C - BETWEEN USA AND CANADA
D - BETWEEN HKG AND CHINA
E - BETWEEN MALAYSIA AND SIN
F - WITHIN AFRICA
G - BETWEEN MALDIVES AND SRI LANKA/INDIA
[Note that Egypt is specifically considered to be in the Middle East by an earlier provision.] Is there another provision that enforces a same-country destination in this specific case?
I agree that QR does not have an interline agreement with TN. But why does the itinerary matter to the plating carrier? Every oneworld carrier can issue a oneworld explorer ticket, although QR is not very good at it.
Code:
TICKETS MUST BE ISSUED ON THE STOCK OF
AA/AB/AS/AY/BA/CX/EI/FJ/IB/IG/JJ/JL/KA/LA/LP/MH
/QF/QR/RJ/S7/UL/XL/4M
---
SELECT A VALIDATING CARRIER WHICH HAS TICKETING
AGREEMENT WITH ALL AIRLINES IN THE ITINERARY.
WHERE INDIVIDUAL AIRLINES DO NOT HAVE A TICKETING
AGREEMENT E-TICKET ISSUE WILL BE SUPPRESSED.
That's from the GLOB fare, the ONE fare doesn't spell it out explicitly, but there's really no reason ever to use QR as a ticketing carrier. BA, AA, JL and CX will be happy to ticket this if you use one of their flights. AA will demand an intercontinental AA sector.
Originally Posted by
Sky.is.the.limit
Hi Calchas
Thanks for spotting this,
Re the routing, I agree, O and D may be in different countries but those countries have to be within the same sub-region and that’s not the case here (EG is Africa – JO is middle east). The provision you are referring to (assuming the ones on the first page of the fare sheet) only stands for the counting of stopovers, not for the O and D. I imagine the screenshot you posted came from a GDS or something similar, if you decode the country code you should come up with the same conclusion as me:
EG EGYPT/AFRICA TC2
JO JORDAN/MIDDLE EAST TC2
Re the plating carrier, you’re right all the carriers listed on the fare sheet can potentially issue such fares but it depends on the itinerary as well. If I trust the below rule from the ATPCO, in this specific routing the ticket will have to be on a QR stock
ATPCO validating carrier selection logic:
Round the world
If the itinerary crosses between Traffic Conference (TC) 3 and TC2 and between TC2 and TC1, then the selected validating carrier is the carrier from the first sector that crosses between TC2 and TC1.
http://www.amadeus.com/corp/xml/docu...tion_logic.pdf
Welcome to the forum also Sky.is.the.limit but I have the same doubts as Calchas and pandaperth regarding your answer about Egypt being in Africa for purpose of the origin/destination exception. Egypt is clearly within Europe/Middle East for purposes of these tickets and is part of the Middle East. You say that the Middle East provision that refers to Egypt only applies to stopovers and doesn't apply to where a ticket originates (you state that Egypt is Africa) then why don't we have to pay for Africa when we purchase an xonex starting in Egypt? While normally Egypt is part of Africa for most ticketing purposes (as are other North Africa countries), for purposes of an xonex it is not. By the rules of these tickets they are part of the Middle East and the Middle East is part of the continent Europe/Middle East.
In any event, I have flown on xonex tickets originating in Egypt and ending elsewhere in the Middle East without issue from any carrier either at time of issue or when making changes to the segments after commencing travel on the ticket.
I believe that the screenshot Calchas posted came from the oneworld explorer rules which are available at oneworld.com.