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Old Apr 5, 2004 | 2:36 am
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Originally Posted by Dovster
1. Nobody died in Poland because they didn't speak out against the Nazis soon enough. Poland did not elect the Nazis. Germany invaded Poland. There was absolutely no connection between any lack of anti-Nazi sentiment and the invasion.
Not exactly true. More than a handful of Poles could have choosen to arm themselves and resist and to do such earlier. Once occupied more than a rare Pole helped send a Jew, a gypsy (or the very, very rare African to a camp where camping as a recreation choice was to be forever gone for most. Many areas within Poland that had Polish jews who were not in the ghettos were outed by their neighbors to gain favor with the occupying force.

Originally Posted by Dovster
2. Fascism was a form of government distinctive to Italy. There were major differences between it and even its closest allies, the German Nazis and the Spanish Falangists. There is certainly no comparison between the U.S. government and the Fascists.
Fascism proper may have been coined and termed in the context of Italy, however, its characteristics and even form of government were not unique, even if distinctive. There are comparisons between any two governments including the U.S. government and Fasicst Italy. For example, both had men as leaders.

Originally Posted by Dovster
3. Nobody has been "rounded up" and put in Guatanamo. All the prisoners there were captured in Afghanistan. While it is possible that some were taken by error, it is unquestioned that they were believed to be members of the Taliban (and that the overwhelming majority of them were).
Not all the prisoners in Guantanamo were captured in Afghanistan. That may have been the way it was in 2001 and parts of 2002, but it's far from true today. There are some people who were "rounded up". More than a rare "round up" in and outside of Afghanistan has not been involved in either the Taliban or Al-Qaeda proper at all. At least two cases from Afghanistan deal with people who were singled out because another party was upset about unresolved land disputes and were thus suggested "roundees".

Torture is being used by us in Guantanamo Bay and by proxy overseas. It might not involve the slow skinning of the male genitalia repeatedly, but certain techniques being used there can be considered nothing but torture and a violation of the Geneva Convention which we said we would abide by.
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