Thanks Moondog. I was wondering why you don't like the Ramada Plaza. Frommers says it's very plush, most lavish lobby in Shanghai, and a good value - not so?

Also, does the JW Marriott look like it's about to open? I can get a discount there (a friend works for Marriott), but I've called them twice and they will only say that they will open in late September - no specific date.

[This message has been edited by Wayne (edited 09-02-2003).]