Sorry to confuse - its been a long time since I posted.

What I meant is this:

4 years ago a flight from LAX to Bangkok on Delta in business class (I was in the upfront lay flat bed of the brand new double deck planes on China Southern - no idea if that is biz of 1st class) was like 120,000 miles. However, according to the Delta mileage chart these seats start at 60,000 miles. Since Delta's partner, in this case China Southern, had seats Delta had to book them for me at the 60,000 mile rate (vs paying 2x to fly Delta proper). That is what I meant.

As far as Japan - does anyone go from LAX to Tokyo with a "free" stopover in Hawaii?

There used to be a tool that let you look up inventory on airlines - that is how I found the China Southern seats - does anyone know that tool?