Originally Posted by
josephstern
I haven't tried to get a US visa, but I hope our website isn't as bad as this Brazilian one.
What website? It should only be that easy. Brazilians must often travel thousands of miles to Rio at their own expense to line up outside the US Consulate at 6am and wait in the hot sun until they are called. They are asked for several years of detailed financial documents (no redacting of account numbers as US applicants can do), as well as a myriad of others. In fact, the process makes what some US citizens (and I must say I have never had any problems getting a visa easily at “my” Brazilian Consulate) are asked for look beneficent in comparison.
Originally Posted by
Esmjb
This attitude is the equivalent of cutting your nose off to spite your face. It's one thing if two people come together and agree on reciprocity with both people seeing that as in their best interest. But for one person to say "well I'm just going to do what they do to me" despite it clearly not being in their best interest is foolish and child-like. ask those people selling matte on the beach or your tour guide friend if he would like to see more tourists coming...
Who has the right to decide what is in the best interest of whom? Your statement comes across as being rather arrogantly patronizing.
My tour guide friend has all the business he can handle these days, as do the other guides he recommends when he usually has no space in his schedule.
“Those people selling matte (sic) on the beach” are victims of a long-entrenched political/cultural situation that is not going to be cured, or much helped, by throwing a few centavos at them for their labor/product.
Originally Posted by
cruisr
Excellent analogy. A tour guide in Brazil did not get work from me as the process to get there was too onerous. At least they are dropping the visa requirement for the Olympics.
As I mentioned, all the good tour guides I know have more business than they can handle.
Originally Posted by
josephstern
I agree with this thinking. Brazil lost ten nights of hotels, several guided tours, and maybe 25 meals out from me and my wife. And we spend pretty freely when on vacation.
Hotels, particularly in Rio, cannot currently meet demand, and prices have risen sharply because of that over the past few years.
I saw a statistic the other day, I wish I could remember where so as to quote it, that showed the laughably miniscule percentage of spending that foreign tourist dollars make up in the Brazilian economy.
As the poster said,
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Originally Posted by carolnl
So, yeah... since so many people are actually applying to go to Brazil, your touristy dollars will not be so missed.
Originally Posted by
josephstern
Maybe Brazil needs US tourists more than the US needs Brazilian tourists and Brazil should drop the pride and accept the economic argument?
Maybe the merchants in Miami think the opposite, with all the Brazilian tourists who come just to spend thousands each shopping there.