Firstly, sorry for the typo in my post above, which was confusing but has now been corrected.

Politically the UK is in Europe (because we are in the EU). Geographically the UK is in Europe (there is no reasonable dissenting arguement against that).

In terms of social concscience, there is doubt - semmingly shared among many of the Engligh speaking nations. It arises from the semantic difference between 'Europe' and 'Continental Europe'. Many people use 'Europe' to mean 'Continental Europe', hence Flying Dutchman's original post. As for the squabling in parliament (and the media) for short term party gain, can you think of anything in recent years that has worked so much against our national interest? In that context, I don't care whether we are in or out, but the uncertainty and half-heartedness is incredibly detructive.

However, I think anywhere you can go on the local from Croydon is a 'European destination'. The fact they are signed differently may add to clarity but is to nobody's great credit. And I ask you again, 'just what continent is England in, if not Europe?'.

[This message has been edited by james (edited 08-07-2000).]