I would never bet against Randy! Maybe I'll just hang in there a couple of months and see how it shakes out--you'd think it would not be that hard to put a program together and stick w/ it. Tks Catman for the note on the ATT thread--I mistakenly didn't even see it listed. Maybe for now I'll just transfer everything to Starwood--the no blacout/cash in pts for one night in midweek is nice--just used it in NY for a Monday night stay and saved $425. All the other hotel programs would make me burn pts for a 3 night award if i was going mid-week just for one night.