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Old Nov 18, 2015 | 2:47 am
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iflyjetz
 
Join Date: Jul 2001
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Originally Posted by UrbaneGent
Those of us got to Lifetime Platinum by being loyal to Starwood and the program and recieving top tier for LIFE - after ten years of Platinum status and 500 nights. Having had to pay the legal bills fighting post-merger United, the reason I lost because UA was an airline and they could say one thing and do another - in other words, lie and cheat their customers and be untouchable.

If Starwood merges with Marriott and takes away LIFETIME Platinum (top tier) from Starwood members, it would be interesting to see what the courts would have to say about that considering it is NOT an airline - I can't imagine Marriott being as stupid as United's team as to devalue Starwood's LTP status.

But then again....anything is possible nowadays.
I posted this on another thread:
Originally Posted by iflyjetz
Have you ever read the SPG Terms and Conditions? Section 13 has your answers. I've copied and pasted a portion of Section 13 that should answer all questions:

13. OTHER PRINCIPLES

13.1 Modification of the SPG Program. Starwood may change the SPG Program and the SPG Program Terms at any time, for any reason and without notice. Starwood may make changes that affect, without limitation, processes, benefits, amenities, elite levels, rules for earning and redeeming Starpoints, Starpoint redemption levels, rules for the use of SPG Awards, availability of SPG Awards, SPG Award inventory, SPG Award types, availability of SPG Promotion Rewards, and benefits of Elite Preferred Guest Membership Status, SPG Lifetime Gold Status and SPG Lifetime Platinum Status.



My comments:
Starwood was bought by Marriott. At some time in the future, Starwood will no longer exist. When (or sometime before) Starwood no longer exists, the Starwood Preferred Guest program will no longer exist.

What happens to your lifetime status? Marriott is under no obligation to honor your SPG lifetime status. However, I see two possible outcomes.
1) Marriott could convert SPG LT Gold to MR LT Silver and SPG LT Plat to MR LT Gold. and/or
2) (I expect this) Marriott could take each member's SPG history and convert it over to Marriott's system. Your stay history since at least 1999 is in SPG's records so all of that can be converted over to the MR program.
Breaking it down:
Stays - should convert 1:1 on paid stays. Cash and Points stays may or may not convert; my money's on them not converting. Award stays probably won't convert because they don't count toward lifetime or annual status in Marriott's system. Marriott just started counting award stays toward annual/LT status.
Points - should convert at whatever ratio is chosen on the cutover. Say the conversion is 1 Starpoint = 3 MR points. I'd expect Marriott to apply that same formula to your lifetime point accumulation. Example: if you've accrued 400,000 Starpoints over the course of your membership (doesn't matter if you've already used them), that would be 1.2 million MR points toward lifetime status.
Previously achieved status level for LT status - Part of MR's program is that in order to be LT Plat, you have to have obtained Plat at least once during your membership. I'd expect them to use the combined annual MR and SPG nights to come up with this number. If MR requires this, I recommend those that will fall short of 75 to get a MR Premier Visa so you can get 15 nights annually + 1 night/$3K spend. You can also consider doing this to get stay credit very quickly: http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/marri...-required.html

MR is very unlikely to get rid of LT status. Based on that, I'd expect Marriott to fair about converting SPG members over to MR LT status. Fair does not mean overly generous nor does it mean overly stingy. Marriott's actually pretty darned fair about issues; one of the better companies out there.

But if you have 550 nights LT with many of them being award nights, don't expect to get converted from SPG LT Plat to MR LT Plat.

On this issue, I expect that MR will have everything spelled out before the final conversion from SPG to MR. For those SPG LT members who don't get ported over to MR LT Plat, you'll probably get a letter detailing where you fall short.

For those that fall short on MR LT Plat, there are plenty here (myself included) that will be happy to give you tips and tricks to get you back to LT Plat with MR if you don't convert over to LT Plat. However, one always gets a better response with honey rather than vinegar on FT.

All the best to you.

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