I guess I am also another map geek. I agree with you wholeheartedly. I guess they do not want us to have accurate information. Most international carrier do it, why not US carriers on domestic routing. Well ElAl does not have any info because they probably do not want would be terrorists to know their "exact" position. You know back in 1987 AA used to show its landings and take off on the screen and you could listen to air traffic control on one of the channels. I wonder why that was discontinued. I kind enjoyed the banter between the air traffi control and the pilots.