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Old Aug 1, 2015 | 5:56 am
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AlanB
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Originally Posted by BBarber
****Amtrak is primarily "bucket based fares" similar to a hotel. The rates open at a predetermined price and fluctuate based on vacancies. IE: When you go to book a long distance route, with all roomettes, and it just so happens that while making your reservation, one of your legs is a "bedroom" instead of a roomette. Out of curiosity, you change it back to a roomette, only to find out that the price is actually greater than if you had kept the, typically more expensive "bedroom" It is HOTEL101..... If all your economical rooms are filled and the suites are empty, you upgrade the economical rooms (which those guests are thrilled) and that frees up the cheaper rooms to sell to those who would otherwise find another property because of the price. That said, I am confident when I say, "the price for sleeper accommodations on Amtrak, are without a doubt, influenced by two things. 1)How many sleepers are vacant. 2) What specific types of sleepers are vacant. HENCE: The term----- "Peak Season"
Amtrak is entirely bucket based. And revenue management places X number of rooms into the first bucket, second bucket, etc. But they can and do adjust the number of rooms in any given bucket based upon the two things you mentioned, along with consideration of two other factors; namely holidays and how far away is the departure date of the train.

Amtrak used to call up people several years back offering a chance to pay for a reduced price upgrade to a Bedroom if enough hadn't already sold. They have since discontinued that practice however to my knowledge.

Originally Posted by BBarber
****Please note the "during special promotions" Does buying with their "partners" constitute a "special promotion"? Yeah.... Your guess was as good as mine... Especially because they don't even touch on it as it pertains to the [T&C's]
Special means that they announce a promotion that allows one to earn status points outside of the normal rule. It does happen occasionally, but I can recall only a few such promotions.

Originally Posted by BBarber
**** I was referring to the "consist of the train. Long distance trains [Superliners] have more cars in the consist. IE: Superliners will have a couple dome cars, dinner cars, etc....
That's not true at all. Sorry! For example, the Lake Shore Limited is a single level train using Amfleets & Viewliner cars. It runs with 3 sleepers, 1 diner, 1 cafe car, and typically 6 coaches; for a total of 11 cars not including baggage cars.

The SW Chief runs with 2 Superliner sleepers, 1 Trans/Dorm with 6 revenue rooms, 1 diner, 1 cafe car/Sightseer Lounge, and 2 coaches; a third is added during peak seasons. That's 8 cars total.

Even the Silver Meteor runs with more cars than the SW Chief and the Capitol Limited for that matter. The Meteor runs with 3 Viewliner sleepers, 1 diner, 1 cafe/lounge, 4 coaches regularly and a 5th seasonal.

The CZ Zephyr has 7 cars all the time, plus 2 extra cars are added seasonally. Only the Empire Builder and the Coast Starlight have consists that rival the Meteor and the Lake Shore.

Originally Posted by BBarber
Thus suggesting, because Viewliners tend to be for short distance, it is quite common to not be able to get a reservation for dinner, unless you are in a sleeper. [They have a smaller consist] That was all I was saying.... I was not disputing the distance, I was just stating that the consist will differ as it pertains to "Superliner" and "Viewliner"
Actually the reason it's harder to get into the diner on the single level trains is because 1/3rd of the car is given over to the kitchen thus reducing the seating area. On a Superliner the kitchen is downstairs which allows for the entire upper level to be used predominantly for seating.

The best that single level dining cars can seat is 48 people. The Superliner dining cars can seat 72 maximum.

Originally Posted by BBarber
Lastly, a Superliner could never go east because of their height. It would not be a friendly road to say the least.......
The Capitol Limited goes east to DC using Superliner equipment. The Auto train runs from just south of DC to Florida using Superliner equipment. The Cardinal used to run with Superliner equipment when it terminated in DC.

Actually, outside of the NY City tunnels and the Baltimore tunnels, Superliners could pretty much run anyplace in the east. Perhaps in a few spots the overhead wires would need to be moved, but predominately the cars could run on most of the NEC save those tunnels. I'm aware of Superliners being operated into Philly from the west and into Albany, NY.

The real problem in the east is that Superliner's aren't compatible with high level platforms and many east coast stations only have high level platforms.

Originally Posted by BBarber
I appreciate your comments, but I think you took it all wrong. I was not being aggressive whatsoever.
I didn't think you were being aggressive at all. Sorry if my reply made it seem like that.

Originally Posted by BBarber
It does not take a nuclear physicist to comprehend how ... backwards their entire program is. Who in their right mind would buy a $1,000 dollar, all they way up to a $3,000 dollar ticket, when they can purchase the points and/or transfer the points from another program???
Unless you are Select Exec, most people can't buy enough points in 1 year to take multiple trips. And while I don't know exact numbers, I do know that the bulk of the inventory is sold via payment. I say at best, on average, maybe 25% of the rooms on any given train were purchased using points.

Originally Posted by BBarber
You can holler til you are blue in the face, but that still doesn't help the insanely overpaid morons who probably sit around a $50,000 dollar mahogany table "making decisions"
Compared to most CEO's Mr. Boardman is a pauper. He makes a fraction of what most CEO's get. And he has no stock options and no golden parachute awaiting him when he retires.

That's not to suggest that Amtrak's management isn't bloated and that it doesn't have problems with people making decisions who have no idea about the reality and impact of their decisions. But that's true in most companies too. It's not unique to Amtrak at all.

What is unique for Amtrak is that it has more than 500 people sitting in Congress who also think that they know what's best for Amtrak and they love to micro-manage. Then they make things worse by never passing a long term plan for Amtrak that they stick to and most times not passing a budget on time.

Imagine trying to buy a car and take out a 5 year loan when your boss won't tell you if your salary will go up or down next year, or even remain the same.
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