May or may not help depending on where you live, but if you are near a The Wiz store and they are having their 15 to 30% off everything in the store sale liek the one down the street is (looks more like going out of business sale), they had the Ipods at a 15% discount today. Not sure if that was the demos or not, never know with them, but they are hardly ever discounted, so if you have a Wiz near you....