It is somewhat amusing (and bemusing) that all these people who have different opinions (and yes, they ARE opinions) think by stridently writing to each other they make their point more correct.
You are not going to convince each other. You are not going to convince others. But it is amusing seeing the same arguments repeated over and over and over. I am almost ready to start a betting pool to see how long the thread will last until a) the mods finally close it, or; b) the antagonists tire each other out.
Let the games continue!