Originally Posted by
NYTA
The risk hasn't changed at all. That's why the ban was stupid in the first place
If we assume that the risk hasn't changed - and it likely hasn't - your conclusion that the ban was stupid in the first place is a logical fallacy.
It could be that issuing the bad was the prudent thing to do based on information available but with additional information being available the risk is now being evaluated as less than it had been.
It could be that the prudent thing to do would be to continue the ban, but that it is being lifted owing to political pressure.
It could be simply the case that while the risk remains the same, the appetite for risk among professionals at the FAA has increased. Having a low appetite for risk - leading to a halting of flights - is not a "stupid" thing nor need it be influenced by external political pressure. Risk acceptance must always be, at least in part, a subjective thing.
Humans - and institutions comprised of humans - are not purely rational machines. Emotions matter. So does location in terms of time and space. A few days after the ban, we are a few days further from the MH17 incident.
It is rather presumptive, IMO, to ascribe stupidity to those in the aviation field for not wishing to accept a risk. Perhaps we should simply compliment them on being humans.
Originally Posted by
craz
I agree especially after hearing the interviews Anderson was giving before the FAA lifted the Ban. I know UA immediately said their flights (2) will be flying over today. What I dont know is when did US (AA) decide to fly as well , could be if US was #2 then DL really couldnt simply stand on the sidelines and be the odd man out, and let its flyers go on UA or US and maybe lose them (or could be US was #3 and tehy jumped in for teh reason given)
But all 3 carriers will be sending their reg daily flights today and all the flights are far from being empty
I wonder what UA will end up doing with its plane heading over as 84 since it CXed its normal return flight.They pulled all their crews out so they are left with no one being legal to fly it back as it usually does an immediate turn as the 85.Will the bird sit @ TLV till Sat. UA doesnt have that problem with the 90 that goes at night since it lands at 4 and doesnt fly back till 11pm+, so the 90 will turn around on Fri night as the 91 as it usually does with an already delay of 45 mins due to crew. DL & US shouldnt have a problem except like UAs 91 needing to have a slight delay due to no crews being over there either
At present the aircraft is not scheduled to leave TLV until Saturday. Lacking a need for a regional flight (e.g. a USG charter from TLV to, say, Europe) there really is little else to do. Security concerns which led to the FAA prohibition had, I suspect, much more to do with risks during approach and landing than while parked at TLV.
It is worth noting that some European carriers have made fueling stops at ATH, as well at LCA, in bound to TLV in order to allow a shorter ground time at TLV. Also, for some time rather than over-nighting aircraft and crews at BEY after their evening landing at BEY, BA would ferry BEY-LCA and then ferry back LCA-BEY in the morning for the return revenue flight BEY-LHR.