Thanks very much, that's helpful I think we're kinda in the same boat, I will always take an extra connection or a longer flight if it's good for my pocket book and reasonably inconvenient. And yea I'm 100% looking to avoid YQ, they're garbage. I'm pretty much all UA/CM on my paid tickets just cuz it's cheaper than AC, though I do prefer the AC product. My ideal route would be YVR-YYZ (red eye) YYZ-BOG-MDE, but the price is always more than I want and from AP the YQ is like $300 rather than $70 on all UA.