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Old Jan 3, 2014 | 12:10 pm
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Originally Posted by Jasper2009
Since youīre the expert
That's pushing it, but I do have extensive experience.

Originally Posted by Jasper2009
Regarding the first statement: The gist was that it would be much more likely Iīd be trampled to death by elephants or attacked by "more common" animals than attacked by lions/leopards.
Definitely true. The other week two people were killed by black wildebeest, of all animals. This happened in some sort of enclosure though, so I think it was more akin to being killed by a cow. Not natural behavior for wildebeest.

The simple fact is that you are far less likely to chance upon lions or leopards than common herbivorous animals. The former are thin on the ground.

Originally Posted by Jasper2009
IIRC the two fatal incidents I was told about were a guide being attacked by a lion and a car being attacked by an elephant, but I donīt have any other info, so itīs possible the info wasnīt accurate or the incidents didnīt happen in SA.
I know of such incidents, I just can't think of any fatalities. That doesn't mean that none have occured. Elephants definitely have a go at vehicles from time to time. I personally know two people whose vehicles were rolled over, of which one was a game viewing vehicle with guests. The elephant involved in the latter incident was shot. Another elephant was shot last week in Kruger after it hammered a car. Both occupants were injured, one seriously.

Originally Posted by Jasper2009
Just curious: Would a group of animals really run away from a single human?
Depends. Herd of buffalo? Sure. Herd of elephants with calves? I would not try my luck. Pride of lions? Yes, although the odd animal may charge you one or more times to make a point.

As far as single animals are concerned, buffalo bulls ("dagga boys") and hippo should be treated with more than a modicum of circumspection.

Originally Posted by Jasper2009
Also, is there any truth in my guideīs statement that getting close to lions wasnīt overly risky in SA, but is getting more and more problematic in East Africa?
I don't think so. Southern Tanzania is notorious for man-eaters, but the Kruger NP has a huge problem with illegal migrants from Zimbabwe and Mozambique crossing the park on foot. This has turned more than the occasional lion into a man-eater.

My earlier point was not that walking in the bush is the safest thing you can do (although it comes close if you know what you are doing), but that guaranteed death within 6 hours is a gross exaggeration. Throughtout most of mankinds existence in African the only means of locomotion has been walking, yet most people survived.

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