Originally Posted by
Ancien Maestro
Disneyland Paris can at least leave a space on cc's slips for those who want to tip.. such as myself.. for excellent service received.
No, they cannot. Disneyland Paris is in France, not the US, therefore that it is impossible
Originally Posted by
Ancien Maestro
Regarding good servers being lost if the restaurant doesn't pass on the service charge as tips to the server.. my comment is largely again for NA, and the world in general. In Europe, I think the excellent servers do expect a level a tip, but in general less. So excellent servers would be transient towards better opportunities.. thus, restaurants who don't pass on service charges will lose out on excellent service.
There are other posters on this thread with far more experience of living in Europe, and of being servers in high end restaurants in Europe. Surely we have a greater insight than someone who was a casual visitor for a few days once at the most highly tourist destinations?
I've tried to explain considering both my location and my past experience in a very high end restaurant (as well as casual service) in Europe.
What IS clear from this thread is that tipping will not end.
It will not end so long as there are people who measure the worth of others (and themselves) with monetary standards above all else. It will not end so long as there are people who refuse to understand that not everyone is motivated by money, and that having pride in a job and providing excellence in whatever their role is a greater motivation, especially when paid a decent wage. It will not end so long as there are people who insist on forcing their cultural values and norms on others, with no respect for differences.
While I don't usually agree with closing threads, I do agree that it may be time to acknowledge that tipping will not end, and that this thread very clearly demonstrates why.