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Old Aug 26, 2013 | 1:51 pm
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Originally Posted by weero
And second I have explicitly stated where my views on animal owners comes from. Not that it is relevant in any matter but it's right there in this very thread.

But that is a vain question - first I haven't offered a opinion on the matter other than the viewpoint that enforcing rules helps. And second I have explicitly stated where my views on animal owners comes from. Not that it is relevant in any matter but it's right there in this very thread.

If you read that thread again at face value, this ought to strike you as a very odd remark. My stereotypical views of pet owners comes from the fact that I am pet owner. And I always learn the hard way that other people don't see my darlings the way I do.
Please help me understand. You are using your own experience as a pet owner as a basis for your earlier posts about:
a) Pet owners being unable to fathom issues with their pets,
b) pet owners having a much higher threshold than the average person for the boundary between good and bad behavior, and
c) the idea that pet owners are not human, thus by definition do not have common sense, and believe their pet is the "son-of god-on-a-leash".

So...if this is how you stereotypically percieve pet owners, and you are a pet owner, and this perceptions comes from your own experience as a pet owner...this is how you perceive yourself?

If this comes across as an ad hominem argument, I do hope you'll consider that in the very post of yours that I am referencing, you do make some very strong statements characterizing the qualities and beliefs of those who own pets. As I tend to NOT characterize pet owners in the ways above, by disagreeing with you, I am actually trying to paint you in a somewhat more positive light, being that you are, in fact, a pet owner.

Moreover, I'm just trying to understand the full thought process admittedly subjective arguments. As such, understanding the basis upon which our opinions have been formed seems relevant. Referencing your past experiences was not an attack on your personal character, but rather an interest or exploration into the factors underlying the conclusion that you came to reach.

I'll offer my own as an example. My opinion is that pet owners and animal lovers are fully able to fathom issues with their pets. I agree that we may have a higher threshold for pet behavior than non-pet owners. I believe that pet owners are still human beings with common sense. And, I do not believe that either of my pets are spiritual beings in any sense.

How did I come to these conclusions? From my own experiences:
1) As a pet owner, I will not travel by air with my pets because I do not want them to ride in the cargo hold. I will not take them into general passenger areas because they are rescue animals and their behavior in unfamiliar places, which I understand as their owner, can be erratic and perhaps uncomfortable to others. I understand the issues my pets may present to others, and I adjust my own behavior accordingly.
2) I know many other pet owners who take the same approach to traveling with their pets as I do. I know many pet owners who do travel with their pets as well, but they seem to be far outnumbered, at least within the population of people I know.
3) I am a pet owner, and last time I checked, I am a human being. I can say without hesitation that I do not believe any of my pets are spiritual entities in any way. I feel like I do have common sense, though I'll admit, I may not be an authority on that.

It seems to me that presenting those experiences that have informed my opinion helps to enrich our discourse, and not distract from it.

Finally, I 100% agree that rules should be adhered to. Quickly scanning back upthread, I didn't see, and I'm not personally familiar, with what the specific rules are regarding pets in the LH FCT or lounges. If there are rules in place, certainly they should be followed. But this thread quickly took the direction not as to the enforcement of the rules, but rather what those rules ought to be.
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