Originally Posted by
GUWonder
It does rise to the level of national interest (as evidenced in 1996 and 1997 and since), and passport denial is a traditional form of exit control.
We have a national policy of routinely denying US passports to US citizens who have been reported (by states to HHS and, through it, to State), as owing above a certain stipulated unpaid child support amount of $2,500 or more. There are exceptions, but the exception requests (with regard to US P type) are more frequently denied than used to be the case.
US dual-citizens have an easier time around this sort of exit control than non-dual-citizens, but the circumvention of this form of US exit control by US dual-citizens may involve inconvenience to say the least.
Originally Posted by chollie
OK, I yield, you're 100% right. Laws and protections are in place and they can and will never be changed or misapplied. There's absolutely no precedent for it. If something hasn't happened before, there's no reason to think it ever might happen in the future. (I thought similar thinking may have played a role in our nation being unprepared for 9-11, but that has nothing to do with exit controls that have never been enforced, ergo, there's no reason to believe they ever will be enforced - because they never have been before...)
Limiting a US citizen's right to get a passport to be able to exit the country has absolutely nothing to do with any restrictions that currently exist or might ever exist in the future on someone's right to exit the country.
Why is it that when the facts do not support either of your positions you both bring in hypotheticals that have nothing to do with what the thread topic was to begin with?
The topic was
Immigration exit controls for international visitors that are performed by CBP. These have been around for years but either not implemented, poorly implemented, or experimentally implemented. A connection was incorrectly made to no-fly lists that have nothing whatsoever to do with this topic or the process the topic is about.
Immigration exit controls for visitors is a clear process that is clearly delineated in the law and regulations. It is written in the CFR in black and white and when those regulations that are relevant to
visitors is posted to correct false implications that is when well what about this and what about that starts. Why are we even talking about US passports and child support when my comments were aimed at the topic in the original post.
The situations both of you are trying to force into this topic have nothing to do with Immigration exit controls for visitors to the United States. The Department of State is not the one that is responsible for that. The State Department's decision to issue a US passport or not has no bearing on Immigration exit controls for
visitors to the United States that are performed by a separate agency all together.
It is best to compare apples to apples. It does nothing but confuse the matter when you continue to add variables that have nothing to do with the process being discussed.
FB