Thanks McG that helps a lot, one of the other things that confused me was that the 287 still comes up as baw287 when you want to track it while the 285 does not. Its not the biggest problem and I'm more worried that that the flight will not come down from the north as happened yesterday.

I've paid for 64A for the views that you can see in sfflyer123's trip report up now in trip reports but you only get those if you do come in from the north at 11,000 feet, first world problems but my 3 cameras and I will be unhappy if we don't get a workout

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